Tuesday, September 16, 2008

School of Theology: John MacMurray 2

Session 1
Session 2 with John continues on Knowing God:

Genesis 3
  • Verse 6,7; Why do they hide? What has changed?
  • Truth has been skewed, because God has not changed.
  • Justification is something that needs to happen FOR the reconciliation of the relationship.
Back again to quoting "Across All Worlds: Jesus Inside Our Darkness" by C. Baxter Kruger
  • We paint a different face on God. The god we know is the god of our imagination which is projected on god.
  • Adam and Eve only knew astonishing and lavish blessing. Sin skewed their knowledge of God.
  • Religion has been one giant attempt to find God again. (even Christians paint faces on God from our fathers, theologians, )
Luke 15
  • The parables open with the fact of Jesus being a friend of sinners.
  • Some say the father reacts to the son based on the sons conviction and confession of his sins. However, Luke is very clear to explain that not a word has come out of the son's mouth.
  • He experienced the love of the father before the son said a word of confession.
  • The point of the story is the heart of the father.
  • When the son does confess, the father brushed it off and quickly restores him back to his position of honor.
  • Do we relate to God on a performance model? From far off the father sees him and run!
  • Confession is not a prerequisite to the Fathers love. The Father seeks us out.
  • Colossians 2:13-14; When we confess, we are honest with ourselves, with the things that scandalize ourselves. And the forgiveness of yesterday, tomorrow, and today become a reality to us. God is already reconciled to us, we are reconciled to God through confession.
  • This changes the paradigm on how we get along with each other, as we are supposed to treat others they same way God treats us. (the fullness of this happens later, but we are called to be moving towards this as a reality now.)
  • The relationship cannot exist without trust. This is trust in a person (not ideologies, or beliefs, or doctrine like any religion).
  • C.S. Lewis The Weight of Glory. God yearns to share His glory.
Here's some quick notes from a random Q&A session:

Q) Does God punish sin or is sin punishment in and of itself?

A) Sin grieves God. He knew humanity would walk away from God. If Jesus didn't take the punishment for all of sin and all time then we are in a tough spot. This is a fundamental of our faith. The sin issue has been death with completely and finally in the death of Christ on the cross.

God disciplines us whether we sin or not. It is instruction, out of love.

Jesus came to save, not to condemn. We condemn ourselves. When we sin our perception of God is skewed. Confession (in greek: to say the same thing) is essential for us to experience the correct perception.

Romans 1, The truth is being suppressed, and God's wraith is being revealed in their unrighteousness. Punishment to sin is He gives them over to their own depraved state. Romans 8, in Christ, righteousness, there is no wraith. This is the justification side, but cannot be divorced from reconciliation.

We are creatures in time and space, we are in process. Our false perceptions are set in default when we sin, everything is skewed by this.

Q) Ananias and Sapphira

A) It seems to be an exception to the rule. Otherwise we would all be dead. Luke is using the story to convey the lack of integrity, not being honest and genuine with God. But, not sure.

Q) Fear of God

A) Reverential Trust.

1 comment:

ET said...

This reminds of the conversation I had with Grace. She had a difficult time understanding why we need to ask for forgiveness, because isn't God love and He already forgave us, so then as a result we are all saved. I explained the situation of sin separating us from God and there needing to be that, but from what it looks like from these notes...there might be a different perspective. This will be an interesting conversation--I look forward to it!